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Published December 22, 2009

No charges will be filed in fatal shooting chat

By Dave Roepke, INFORUM

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Kelly K.
Moorhead, MN     12/22/2009 1:50 PM

Okay, you explained it. Move on to option 2 - look up "dishonest." You don't seem to know what it means. Second, stop putting words in my mouth. I don't need anyone "sacrificed" to anything. I agree that what he did was legal (though I don't think morality has anything to do with it). Everything that happened on this night was wrong, wrong, wrong. It would have been right for no one to abuse alcohol. It would have been right for someone, anyone, to have called the police. It would have been right for people to lock their doors. Of course, your paean to the gun, insistence on viewing this as a black and white issue, and overuse of the word "evil" makes it pretty clear that arguing with you will be about as effective as shouting into a vacuum. I look forward to your next salvo. I expect it will be chock-full of accusations of evil and dishonesty. And if you include another ode to your gun, can it be in the form of a sonnet? I do like sonnets.

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Ashley H.
Fargo, ND     12/22/2009 12:49 PM

To say that this is a case of race is rediculous. This is a case of self defense and self preservation plain and simple. As a father of 3 young children my heart goes out to this kids family. But, in the same situation I would do the same thing without hesitation. In todays society it is a shame to day so but you just never know what a person will do when they invade your home or what they can be on.

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Olivia J.
Moorhead, MN     12/22/2009 12:49 PM

C.L. from Hawley...thanks for your comments. You sound like a wonderful mentor to your race. This kid made some horrible mistakes and he paid with his life and as a grieving parent I might want to blame someone to ease my pain...but sometimes there just simply is no one to blame except your child.

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Stephanie J.
Fargo, ND     12/22/2009 12:41 PM

I'm surprised no one else picked up on this, many of you are stating he was only '17'. During the initial days, the police and medical staff were trying to guess his age, becuase he had no identification on him. He was put in the age range of anywhere frm 20-30. He definately looked older than he was. Allen couldn't have guessed he was facing a 'kid'. It's really unfortunate this whole thing has happened!! Also, during the press conference, they very pointedly addressed why it took so long. Other cases within MN had precendence over this case, as no one was sitting in jail or on trial for this case. I think the State of MN did an excellent job with sorting out all the facts on this case. For all of you who have decided to throw the race card in, take it out. I strongly believe, esp. with such a high profile case, the police would have spent just as much time on this case had a 'white' boy been involved. A lesson for ALL parents out there, keep your children at home, where it 'should' be safe. Strive to make them better people and to be upstanding cititzens, no matter the age, race, family history, etc. We can all learn from this case and try to make the world a better place!

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fasd s.
12/22/2009 12:27 PM

There is an abundance of ignorance and shallow sightedness in many of the comments who think Joel was murdered. Those people are too simple to realize the greater picture of secruity and the violation of safety that any charge on Mr. Allen would bring. Those who knew Joel only speak of the context that they understood. But what of the drunk, illegal entering, gun grabing trouble maker he demonstrated himself to be? I think many of Joels supporters would have done the same thing if it were a random person invading thier home in the middle of the night. They are just not aware enough to disconnect from the situation and see what happened for what it is. It was nothing personal from Mr. Allen, he was only guarding his life.

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J D.
Fargo, ND     12/22/2009 12:26 PM

Why is it whenever a non-white person is involved in a crime, or is not offered a job. The race card is thrown in to the mix.

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Kelly K.
Moorhead, MN     12/22/2009 12:24 PM

Matt E., you'll have to explain how stating an opinion is being dishonest. Or maybe go look up the word "dishonest." As for what Mr. Allen did - it was legal, but I don't think it was right. I'm sure it is comforting to see the world in stark shades of black and white ("People who are asking Mr. Allen to sacrifice himself are evil.") but the truth is, there is no right or wrong answer and nobody wins here. What happened that night is a terrible shame.

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chad e.
Fargo, ND     12/22/2009 12:13 PM

I thought this kid was perfect according to his parents. He was drunk and went into multiple houses. I feel bad for him but once he grabbed the gun, I would shoot him too.

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Lila P.
12/22/2009 11:56 AM

My husband would have knocked him out and tied him up until the cops arrived. So, no I wouldn't have been scared, not with my husband around. Now, if he would not have been there and my children were in danger...........even I would do damage to the person to protect my children. This story just makes me sick though. He was so young and drunk that there is no way he knew what he was doing. What ever happened to having a bat under the bed or nearby? My sympathies go out to both families who have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

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Barb E.
Fargo, ND     12/22/2009 11:04 AM

C.L-- Thank you!!! A person is defined by his or actions.

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